IAM1293 – CEO Modernizes Global Trade to Ease Export of Products
Podcast Interview with Alex Rabens
Alex Rabens is CEO and Co-Founder of Mickey, a commodities company focused on modernizing global trade by making it easier for small to midsize suppliers to export products globally. He, along with co-founder Jesse Solomon, set out to launch a platform with the goal of wiping out the global trade crisis. Today, Mickey is modernizing the way raw materials and commodities are sourced and exported out of the United States. In his role, Alex is helping to grow the future of Mickey with fundraising, recruiting top talent in the industry, and overseeing the operations of the company.
Prior to co-founding Mickey, Alex served as Vice President at Endeavor, building media properties with companies such as Lionsgate, Warner Brothers, and Paramount Pictures. In this role, Alex was responsible for the build-out of Endeavor Content Live, the organization’s live production arm founded in 2018.
Alex received his Bachelor of Arts in Ethnomusicology from UCLA.
- CEO Story: Alex was a successful talent manager dealing with famous teams. He does Int’l deals that came to cross the path with the son of Alibaba. So impressed with the person and the kind of business. And so in 2018, Alex co-founded Mickey – the next Alibaba in America.
- Business Service: Providing a platform for sellers to sell online. Bridging the gap between sellers and purchasers. Commodity products.
- Secret Sauce: Started as an accelerator, it has an intangible value, you get a class of companies.
- CEO Hack: Having time for conversation with your team. Time block for email, phone, etc.
- CEO Nugget: Really hone in on the economics of the business you are disrupting.
- CEO Defined: Making hard decisions fast. Better decisions will make the company survive longer thrive better and make it more efficient.
Website: www.mickeytrading.com
Linkedin: @mickeygroup
Twitter: MickeyTrading
Facebook: @mickeygroup
Instagram: @mickeytrading
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00:19 – Intro
Do you want to learn effective ways to build relationships, generate sales, and grow your business from successful entrepreneurs, start-ups, and CEOs without listening to a long, long, long interview? If so, you've come to the right place. Gresham Harkless values your time and is ready to share with you precisely the information you're in search of. This is the I AM CEO Podcast.
00:46 – Gresham Harkless
Hello. Hello. Hello. This is Gresh from the I AM CEO Podcast. I have a very special guest on the show today. I have Alex Rabens of Mickey. Alex, it's great to have you on the show.
00:55 – Alex Rabens
Thank you. Gresham, it's nice to be here and I am a fan of the I AM CEO Podcast. So it's exciting to get a chance to talk to you.
01:06 – Gresham Harkless
Yeah, absolutely. It's always exciting to get the opportunity to talk shop, so to speak. And I love all the awesome things that you're doing in your shop, so to speak. And, look at super excited about diving a little bit deeper. But, before we do that, I want to, of course, read a little bit more about Alex so you can hear about all the awesome things that he's working on. Alex is the CEO and co-founder of Mickey, a commodity company focused on modernizing global trade by making it easier for small to midsize suppliers to export products globally.
He, along with his co-founder Jesse Solomon, set out to launch a platform with the goal of wiping out the global trade crisis. Today, Mickey is modernizing the way raw materials and commodities are sourced and exported out of the United States. In his role, Alex is helping to grow the future of Mickey with fundraising, recruiting top talent in the industry, and overseeing the operations of the company.
Prior to co-founding Mickey, Alex served as a Vice President at Endeavor, building media properties with companies such as Lionsgate, Warner Brothers, and Paramount Pictures. In this role, Alex was responsible for the build-out of Endeavor Content Live, the organization's live production arm founded in 2018.
Alex received his Bachelor of Arts in Ethnomusicology from UCLA. I try to say that three times fast, but, Alex, I'm sure you could do so much better. Are you ready to speak to the I AM CEO Community?
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02:22 – Alex Rabens
That was great. That was wonderful honestly, it made me wanna invest in Mickey. Hope maybe you can go and do our VC pitches.
02:31 – Gresham Harkless
Yeah. Here we go. As long as I have this playbook in front of me, I might be able to do it okay. But, I know I'd session on a little bit, of course, when I read your bio. So I wanted to say we're 1 o’clock, hear a little bit more on how you got started, what I like to call your CEO Story.
02:46 – Alex Rabens
Yeah. Well, it's great to meet you. Thank you for that intro. This is Alex Rabens. I'm the CEO of Mickey. Before founding Mickey, I spent about 12 years in entertainment. I was a talent agent at William Morris, and William Morris has since gone on to be called Endeavor and they went public. But, before it was Endeavor, it was William Morris. I was a talent agent there. It was a very cool career. A lot of people will think of Ari Gold from Entourage, and that's who I worked for to an extent.
It was Ari Emanuel who ran William Morris Endeavor and I wanted to be like an Ari Gold. I wanted to represent talent. I wanted to do big international deals. So I had actually gotten my start at a tiny little agency in New York called Columbia Artists, moved on to another agency called the Windish Agency, and then finally over to William Morrison. For me, it was like going from I don't know, like the Oakland A's to the Chicago Cubs all the way to the New York Yankees, and I loved it.
That was like I was good at it and I felt very powerful every day. And I got to if I wanted to wear a suit, I could wear one and not feel like a schlub. If I wanted to go on trips, and if I wanted to sign clients, it was all very cool. It was very impressive to my family and then for some reason, I'd always wanted to do something big with my life. And one of the things that I really loved about being a talent agent was the type of international deals that we would do.
That job always had very cool people kind of like around it. So we have one colleague of mine that he was the son of the President of Alibaba and he introduced his dad as President of Alibaba and I got to meet him. He was a guy named Michael Evans and we sat down. He told me a little bit about what he is, Alibaba, and I was so impressed by just who he was the type of life that he had, and just the scope of the business and the opportunity that I wanted to do something like that.
I wanted to leave being a talent agent and I wanted to build the next Alibaba. And for me, it made sense that it was the American version of Alibaba, and that's what I wanted to build Mickey into. So it was the end of 2018, and I just had a really fabulous year of being an agent and I left. And Jesse, my co-founder, was with me at William Morris, he came with me. We built Mickey. We started at the beginning of 2019 and now it's the beginning of 2022 and it's starting our 4th year now. And it's been just an amazing exhilarating journey, obviously, full of many ups and downs that I'm sure we will get into gradually.
05:57 – Gresham Harkless
Absolutely. Well, I love hearing your story, and hearing that sounds like a seed that was planted to wanna make a huge impact in how you were able to lean into that. It sounds like with everything that you're doing, with Mickey. So I wanted to, of course, drill down a little bit and hear a little bit more about Mickey, how you're making that impact, and how you're serving the clients you work with.
06:19 – Alex Rabens
Yeah. What would an alley be like, why hasn't there been an Alibaba in America and what would it look like if there was? And so the first place to start was that we had to figure out what America actually sells. Because if you go on Alibaba, you'll see sellers for apparel. You'll see sellers for furniture. You'll see sellers for manufacturing equipment, and it's mostly sellers that are based in Asia. And it's a lot of buyers that are based in the West or buyers that are based in areas around the world that are basically purchasing from sellers that are either China or Asia-based.
So what I wanted to figure out was, okay, if there was an Alibaba that only had American sellers, what would the products actually be, and that is how we stumbled into the domain of commodities or natural resources? And it turns out that much of the way that Asian sellers are providing the world their finished products, American suppliers actually provide both Western buyers and a predominant amount of the world with natural resource products so with commodity products. But there hasn't been a website online like the way you would think of Alibaba that allows them to actually sell over the internet.
So we wanted to be able to actually provide that platform and so right now, Mickey has sellers that sell. We're in forest products and we are in energy products. Forest Products was the first product base that we had. Right now, we have suppliers that sell logs that sell lumber, and typically, these products are being bought by manufacturers who are for instance making furniture products or making I think right now we have a manufacturer that takes plywood and manufacturers RV automobiles. So, for us, it's about really bridging together tellers of natural resources and purchasers of those products.
08:27 – Gresham Harkless
Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. So, I want to ask you, you might have already touched on this for what I like to call your Secret Sauce and this could be for yourself personally, the business, or a combination of both. But what do you feel sets you apart and makes you unique?
08:39 – Alex Rabens
I think one of the most important and you mentioned the word secret sauce, we can call this our my secret sauce. I think when we started Mickey. Mickey began in an accelerator. We did the ERA accelerator in New York and then we subsequently did the Quake accelerator in New York. I think it's really nice to have an almost like a starting position in an accelerator. There is an intangible value of an accelerator that is far more valuable than you have to be worried about in terms of giving up equity and that is you get a class.
You get a class of companies that are all, for the most part, starting around the same time as you are and they're dealing with the same problems. And in many ways, you get to have colleagues again which for most of us that are coming out of the corporate world, which I think is probably the majority of the CEOs that I've ever met, are people that have been previously high functioning or very high achieving corporate employees, all of which it's been very, very valuable to be able to actually feel that we can track our progress relative to those companies and also be able to encourage them along.
10:04- Gresham Harkless
Yeah, that's absolutely huge. Well, I appreciate you sharing that so much. So I wanted to switch gears a little bit, and I want to ask you for what I call a CEO Hack. So this could be like an app, a book, or a habit that you have, but what's something that makes you more effective and efficient?
10:17 – Alex Rabens
I think that you have to choose your days or your chunks of the day to be a computer guy and to be a phone guy. There are significant periods of my day that I will close my laptop, and I will just make calls. Your text, your Slack, however else anyone's getting a hold of you, that becomes almost like your job if you don't stand up and close your computer after a while and the challenge is that your inbox is not your job. Your text message, your new messages, that's not your job. That's maintenance, that's playing defense.
As a CEO, the only way your company is going to actually improve itself is by playing offense. And the only way to actually begin to play that offense is not by responding to emails. That doesn't get you anywhere, you have to close it. You have to start talking to your team, you have to start reaching out so you give them comfort to tell you what's going on within their domain so they don't feel uncomfortable saying when there are problems or saying when there are challenges that they're seeing coming up coming ahead.
Through those calls, through those conversations, and through closing that, those have been the most innovative times in terms of actual progress made at the company, whether it be culture, whether it be creating a new actual product or the direction of where we want the product to go. It took me about a year and a half to feel comfortable with the idea of taking half a day or a full day without checking my email at all. But that has been one of the biggest hacks that we've had when I can actually get on the phone and make sure that I'm rolling calls with our team customers, with clients, with buyers, with sellers. That has been the most valuable part of probably every single week that I have.
12:17 – Gresham Harkless
Yeah, that makes so much sense and so what would you consider to be what I like to call a CEO Nugget? That's a little bit more of a word of wisdom or piece of advice. I like to say it might be something if you were to hop into a time machine, you might tell your business self.
12:32 – Alex Rabens
Over the last 3 years, one of the hardest parts has been the unit economics of commodities. Say that my biggest, biggest, biggest nugget right now would be really, really hone in on the unit economics of the business that you are attempting to change. Because no matter what, you're going to have costs involved with building a business around that product. And you wanna make sure that your industry that you're attempting to disrupt has unit economics that will allow you to actually build a venture backed business within the space because it's very challenging to be in a slim margin gross, profit business, without being able to at some point say that you have an opportunity to increase those margins.
For us, we don't have the ability to do that, we are stuck in an industry with very small margins. Now, that being said, we are in an industry with enormous, enormous potential for scale, but that's also a very, very challenging game to play. So, I would say that just pay attention to the unit economics of the businesses you're attempting to change. As a CEO, especially one that is starting off, you're going to get very passionate about whatever the idea is.
13:51 – Gresham Harkless
Nice. I love that nugget. I wanted to ask you now my absolute favorite question, which is the definition of what it means to be a CEO. We're hoping to have different quote-unquote CEOs on the show. So, Alex, what does being a CEO mean to you?
14:01 – Alex Rabens
The definition of being a CEO is making really, really, really bad decisions quickly. Bad decisions as in hard decisions. The choices that every day that I have to make are ones that are frustrating because they don't really have a right or wrong answer. So the question becomes how fast can you make the decision, how easy can you make it for yourself to see both decisions to make and effectively figure out which one is the better one for the company.
Most of the time when you're thinking about better, it really becomes about which one enables the company to survive longer, to thrive better, and to make it a more efficient place with less decisions to make about that current decision. So I would say as a CEO, the most important thing is to very quickly choose through the decision that is being put in front of you and get to an effective place to be able to actually answer that as quickly as you can.
15:09 – Gresham Harkless
Truly appreciate that definition and that perspective. Of course, I appreciate your time even more. What I want to do now is pass you the mic, so to speak, just to see if there's anything additional that you can let our readers and listeners know, and, of course, how best people could get a hold of you and find out about all the awesome things you and your team are working on.
15:25 – Alex Rabens
Yes. They reach out info@mickeytrading.com that will get passed to me. If you are someone that is interested in the future of commodity tech, or if you are someone that is currently selling wood or buying it, mickeytrading.com. We currently sell forest products and natural gas products on the energy side and we are looking forward to getting into other commodity verticals as soon as humanly possible.
15:54 – Gresham Harkless
Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. To make it even easier, we'll have the links and information in the show notes as well too so that everybody can follow-up and find out about all the awesome things that Alex and his team are working on. Thank you so much for doing that, reminding us of how important that is for us to do that as well too, and I hope you have a phenomenal rest of the day.
16:08 – Alex Rabens
Gresh, thank you, and I appreciate, being a part of it.
16:11 – Outro
Thank you for listening to the I AM CEO Podcast powered by CBNation and Blue16 Media. Tune in next time and visit us at iamceo.co. I AM CEO is not just a phrase, it's a community. Want to level up your business even more? Read blogs, listen to podcasts, and watch videos at cbnation.co. Also, check out our I AM CEO Facebook group. This has been the I AM CEO Podcast with Gresham Harkless Junior. Thank you for listening.
00:19 - Intro
Do you want to learn effective ways to build relationships, generate sales, and grow your business from successful entrepreneurs, start-ups, and CEOs without listening to a long, long, long interview? If so, you've come to the right place. Gresham Harkless values your time and is ready to share with you precisely the information you're in search of. This is the I AM CEO Podcast.
00:46 - Gresham Harkless
Hello. Hello. Hello. This is Gresh from the I AM CEO Podcast. I have a very special guest on the show today. I have Alex Rabens of Mickey. Alex, it's great to have you on the show.
00:55 - Alex Rabens
Thank you. Gresham, it's nice to be here and I am a fan of the I AM CEO Podcast. So it's exciting to get a chance to talk to you.
01:06 - Gresham Harkless
Yeah, absolutely. It's always exciting to get the opportunity to talk shop, so to speak. And I love all the awesome things that you're doing in your shop, so to speak. And, look at super excited about diving a little bit deeper. But, before we do that, I want to, of course, read a little bit more about Alex so you can hear about all the awesome things that he's working on. Alex is the CEO and co-founder of Mickey, a commodity company focused on modernizing global trade by making it easier for small to midsize suppliers to export products globally.
He, along with his co-founder Jesse Solomon, set out to launch a platform with the goal of wiping out the global trade crisis. Today, Mickey is modernizing the way raw materials and commodities are sourced and exported out of the United States. In his role, Alex is helping to grow the future of Mickey with fundraising, recruiting top talent in the industry, and overseeing the operations of the company.
Prior to co-founding Mickey, Alex served as a Vice President at Endeavor, building media properties with companies such as Lionsgate, Warner Brothers, and Paramount Pictures. In this role, Alex was responsible for the build-out of Endeavor Content Live, the organization's live production arm founded in 2018.
Alex received his Bachelor of Arts in Ethnomusicology from UCLA. I try to say that three times fast, but, Alex, I'm sure you could do so much better. Are you ready to speak to the I AM CEO Community?
02:22 - Alex Rabens
That was great. That was wonderful honestly, it made me wanna invest in Mickey. Hope maybe you can go and do our VC pitches.
02:31 - Gresham Harkless
Yeah. Here we go. As long as I have this playbook in front of me, I might be able to do it okay. But, I know I'd session on a little bit, of course, when I read your bio. So I wanted to say we're 1 o’clock, hear a little bit more on how you got started, what I like to call your CEO Story.
02:46 - Alex Rabens
Yeah. Well, it's great to meet you. Thank you for that intro. This is Alex Rabens. I'm the CEO of Mickey. Before founding Mickey, I spent about 12 years in entertainment. I was a talent agent at William Morris, and William Morris has since gone on to be called Endeavor and they went public. But, before it was Endeavor, it was William Morris. I was a talent agent there. It was a very cool career. A lot of people will think of Ari Gold from Entourage, and that's who I worked for to an extent.
It was Ari Emanuel who ran William Morris Endeavor and I wanted to be like an Ari Gold. I wanted to represent talent. I wanted to do big international deals. So I had actually gotten my start at a tiny little agency in New York called Columbia Artists, moved on to another agency called the Windish Agency, and then finally over to William Morrison. For me, it was like going from I don't know, like the Oakland A's to the Chicago Cubs all the way to the New York Yankees, and I loved it.
That was like I was good at it and I felt very powerful every day. And I got to if I wanted to wear a suit, I could wear one and not feel like a schlub. If I wanted to go on trips, and if I wanted to sign clients, it was all very cool. It was very impressive to my family and then for some reason, I'd always wanted to do something big with my life. And one of the things that I really loved about being a talent agent was the type of international deals that we would do.
That job always had very cool people kind of like around it. So we have one colleague of mine that he was the son of the President of Alibaba and he introduced his dad as President of Alibaba and I got to meet him. He was a guy named Michael Evans and we sat down. He told me a little bit about what he is, Alibaba, and I was so impressed by just who he was the type of life that he had, and just the scope of the business and the opportunity that I wanted to do something like that.
I wanted to leave being a talent agent and I wanted to build the next Alibaba. And for me, it made sense that it was the American version of Alibaba, and that's what I wanted to build Mickey into. So it was the end of 2018, and I just had a really fabulous year of being an agent and I left. And Jesse, my co-founder, was with me at William Morris, he came with me. We built Mickey. We started at the beginning of 2019 and now it's the beginning of 2022 and it's starting our 4th year now. And it's been just an amazing exhilarating journey, obviously, full of many ups and downs that I'm sure we will get into gradually.
05:57 - Gresham Harkless
Absolutely. Well, I love hearing your story, and hearing that sounds like a seed that was planted to wanna make a huge impact in how you were able to lean into that. It sounds like with everything that you're doing, with Mickey. So I wanted to, of course, drill down a little bit and hear a little bit more about Mickey, how you're making that impact, and how you're serving the clients you work with.
06:19 - Alex Rabens
Yeah. What would an alley be like, why hasn't there been an Alibaba in America and what would it look like if there was? And so the first place to start was that we had to figure out what America actually sells. Because if you go on Alibaba, you'll see sellers for apparel. You'll see sellers for furniture. You'll see sellers for manufacturing equipment, and it's mostly sellers that are based in Asia. And it's a lot of buyers that are based in the West or buyers that are based in areas around the world that are basically purchasing from sellers that are either China or Asia-based.
So what I wanted to figure out was, okay, if there was an Alibaba that only had American sellers, what would the products actually be, and that is how we stumbled into the domain of commodities or natural resources? And it turns out that much of the way that Asian sellers are providing the world their finished products, American suppliers actually provide both Western buyers and a predominant amount of the world with natural resource products so with commodity products. But there hasn't been a website online like the way you would think of Alibaba that allows them to actually sell over the internet.
So we wanted to be able to actually provide that platform and so right now, Mickey has sellers that sell. We're in forest products and we are in energy products. Forest Products was the first product base that we had. Right now, we have suppliers that sell logs that sell lumber, and typically, these products are being bought by manufacturers who are for instance making furniture products or making I think right now we have a manufacturer that takes plywood and manufacturers RV automobiles. So, for us, it's about really bridging together tellers of natural resources and purchasers of those products.
08:27 - Gresham Harkless
Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. So, I want to ask you, you might have already touched on this for what I like to call your Secret Sauce and this could be for yourself personally, the business, or a combination of both. But what do you feel sets you apart and makes you unique?
08:39 - Alex Rabens
I think one of the most important and you mentioned the word secret sauce, we can call this our my secret sauce. I think when we started Mickey. Mickey began in an accelerator. We did the ERA accelerator in New York and then we subsequently did the Quake accelerator in New York. I think it's really nice to have an almost like a starting position in an accelerator. There is an intangible value of an accelerator that is far more valuable than you have to be worried about in terms of giving up equity and that is you get a class.
You get a class of companies that are all, for the most part, starting around the same time as you are and they're dealing with the same problems. And in many ways, you get to have colleagues again which for most of us that are coming out of the corporate world, which I think is probably the majority of the CEOs that I've ever met, are people that have been previously high functioning or very high achieving corporate employees, all of which it's been very, very valuable to be able to actually feel that we can track our progress relative to those companies and also be able to encourage them along.
10:04- Gresham Harkless
Yeah, that's absolutely huge. Well, I appreciate you sharing that so much. So I wanted to switch gears a little bit, and I want to ask you for what I call a CEO Hack. So this could be like an app, a book, or a habit that you have, but what's something that makes you more effective and efficient?
10:17 - Alex Rabens
I think that you have to choose your days or your chunks of the day to be a computer guy and to be a phone guy. There are significant periods of my day that I will close my laptop, and I will just make calls. Your text, your Slack, however else anyone's getting a hold of you, that becomes almost like your job if you don't stand up and close your computer after a while and the challenge is that your inbox is not your job. Your text message, your new messages, that's not your job. That's maintenance, that's playing defense.
As a CEO, the only way your company is going to actually improve itself is by playing offense. And the only way to actually begin to play that offense is not by responding to emails. That doesn't get you anywhere, you have to close it. You have to start talking to your team, you have to start reaching out so you give them comfort to tell you what's going on within their domain so they don't feel uncomfortable saying when there are problems or saying when there are challenges that they're seeing coming up coming ahead.
Through those calls, through those conversations, and through closing that, those have been the most innovative times in terms of actual progress made at the company, whether it be culture, whether it be creating a new actual product or the direction of where we want the product to go. It took me about a year and a half to feel comfortable with the idea of taking half a day or a full day without checking my email at all. But that has been one of the biggest hacks that we've had when I can actually get on the phone and make sure that I'm rolling calls with our team customers, with clients, with buyers, with sellers. That has been the most valuable part of probably every single week that I have.
12:17 - Gresham Harkless
Yeah, that makes so much sense and so what would you consider to be what I like to call a CEO Nugget? That's a little bit more of a word of wisdom or piece of advice. I like to say it might be something if you were to hop into a time machine, you might tell your business self.
12:32 - Alex Rabens
Over the last 3 years, one of the hardest parts has been the unit economics of commodities. Say that my biggest, biggest, biggest nugget right now would be really, really hone in on the unit economics of the business that you are attempting to change. Because no matter what, you're going to have costs involved with building a business around that product. And you wanna make sure that your industry that you're attempting to disrupt has unit economics that will allow you to actually build a venture backed business within the space because it's very challenging to be in a slim margin gross, profit business, without being able to at some point say that you have an opportunity to increase those margins.
For us, we don't have the ability to do that, we are stuck in an industry with very small margins. Now, that being said, we are in an industry with enormous, enormous potential for scale, but that's also a very, very challenging game to play. So, I would say that just pay attention to the unit economics of the businesses you're attempting to change. As a CEO, especially one that is starting off, you're going to get very passionate about whatever the idea is.
13:51 - Gresham Harkless
Nice. I love that nugget. I wanted to ask you now my absolute favorite question, which is the definition of what it means to be a CEO. We're hoping to have different quote-unquote CEOs on the show. So, Alex, what does being a CEO mean to you?
14:01 - Alex Rabens
The definition of being a CEO is making really, really, really bad decisions quickly. Bad decisions as in hard decisions. The choices that every day that I have to make are ones that are frustrating because they don't really have a right or wrong answer. So the question becomes how fast can you make the decision, how easy can you make it for yourself to see both decisions to make and effectively figure out which one is the better one for the company.
Most of the time when you're thinking about better, it really becomes about which one enables the company to survive longer, to thrive better, and to make it a more efficient place with less decisions to make about that current decision. So I would say as a CEO, the most important thing is to very quickly choose through the decision that is being put in front of you and get to an effective place to be able to actually answer that as quickly as you can.
15:09 - Gresham Harkless
Truly appreciate that definition and that perspective. Of course, I appreciate your time even more. What I want to do now is pass you the mic, so to speak, just to see if there's anything additional that you can let our readers and listeners know, and, of course, how best people could get a hold of you and find out about all the awesome things you and your team are working on.
15:25 - Alex Rabens
Yes. They reach out info@mickeytrading.com that will get passed to me. If you are someone that is interested in the future of commodity tech, or if you are someone that is currently selling wood or buying it, mickeytrading.com. We currently sell forest products and natural gas products on the energy side and we are looking forward to getting into other commodity verticals as soon as humanly possible.
15:54 - Gresham Harkless
Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. To make it even easier, we'll have the links and information in the show notes as well too so that everybody can follow-up and find out about all the awesome things that Alex and his team are working on. Thank you so much for doing that, reminding us of how important that is for us to do that as well too, and I hope you have a phenomenal rest of the day.
16:08 - Alex Rabens
Gresh, thank you, and I appreciate, being a part of it.
16:11 - Outro
Thank you for listening to the I AM CEO Podcast powered by CBNation and Blue16 Media. Tune in next time and visit us at iamceo.co. I AM CEO is not just a phrase, it's a community. Want to level up your business even more? Read blogs, listen to podcasts, and watch videos at cbnation.co. Also, check out our I AM CEO Facebook group. This has been the I AM CEO Podcast with Gresham Harkless Junior. Thank you for listening.
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