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Podcast Interview with Joey Braun & Avery Chatman

Joey Braun & Avery Chatman are two men who have never met but both shared the passion of helping people change their lives.

  • CEO Hack: (1) Set a schedule for each day (2) Making my bed (3) Morning routine
  • CEO Nugget: (1) Don't look at the results, focus on the process  (2) Overcome the fears
  • CEO Defined: (1) Setting goals and accomplishing them along with other people (2) Chief emotional officer

Website: http://www.mindshapepodcast.com/

Instagram:@mindshapepodcast
Twitter: @mindshapepod


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Intro 0:02

Do you want to learn effective ways to build relationships, generate sales, and grow your business from successful entrepreneurs, startups, and CEOs without listening to a long, long, long interview? If so, you've come to the right place. Gresham Harkless values your time and is ready to share with you precisely the information you're in search of. This is the I AM CEO Podcast.

Gresham Harkless 0:29

Hello, this is Gresh from the I Am CEO podcast and I have two very special guests on the show today. I have Joey Braun & Avery Chatman of the Mind Shape podcast. Gentlemen, it's awesome to have you on the show.

Joey Braun 0:40

Thank you for having us.

Gresham Harkless 0:41

No problem. Super excited to have you on. And what I wanted to do was just read a little bit more about Joey and Avery. Joey and Avery are two men who had never met before. But both share a passion for helping people change their lives. So decided to create a podcast, Joey and Avery, are you ready to be to the I AM CEO community?

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Avery Chatman 0:55

Yeah, let's do it.

Gresham Harkless 0:56

Let's make it happen. So they kick everything off. I wanted to hear a little bit more about what I call your CEO story. What led you guys to get started in the podcast?

Joey Braun 1:05

All kind of started off in a row, you can kind of give his take as well. But I started a podcast a while back, I just wanted to start something to help people. And you know, I had no listeners, no one was really kind of really looked at our stuff or listened to it. So I decided to bring it back after I gave up for a couple of months.

And actually, I DM'ed Avery on Twitter, and I asked him, you know, if you wanted to be on the podcast, because I saw the motivational videos he made, and they hit me hard. And they inspired me. So I was like, Dang, this is someone that I want to do a podcast with this guy is inspirational is motivational, and he'd be a great co-host. So that was like, how I initiated that with him. And he can kind of tell his side real quick.

Avery Chatman 1:46

Yeah, so. So one day, I'm looking on Twitter, and I get a DM from this random guy. And he says, hey man, I love your content. And I've been thinking about starting something, I don't know if you'd be interested, but I kind of want to just run it by you if you see my message. And of course, I saw his message.

And I responded right away. And he started diving in saying he had a podcast, I guess a few months prior and things like that, and that I would be a perfect fit to, you know, help him and help him out with the podcasts he had started. And from there, you know, we brainstormed a lot of ideas.

And you know, we got to know each other a little bit more. And then we just started recording just like no script, no anything just off the top of the head, just whatever we wanted to talk about. We thought of a topic and we just started talking. And from there, it's been growing, it's been building and I'm really excited to see where it ends up. But that's basically the start of our story. I would say.

Joey Braun 2:47

Yeah, man.

Gresham Harkless 2:48

Nice, I appreciate that. And then the power of DMing. And, you know, we never think that you know, we can have a potential partner for a podcast or whatever. But you have to, you know, go through the DM shoot that shoot that shot, so to speak, to kind of make that happen.

And, I love the fact too, because I think a lot of times, and one of the big benefits I've gotten you know from from podcasting is that you get an opportunity to connect with people in the network. But I think you know, even on a deeper level, it sounds like you guys, you've been able to co-host a podcast and develop relationships with each other, you know, as a result of doing this podcast together?

Joey Braun 2:54

No. 100% Yeah, we're definitely looking. I'm definitely looking to meet Avery in the future. here shortly, I definitely want to actually meet him and get to know him a little bit more.

Gresham Harkless 3:28

You guys are gonna have to go to Facebook Live or something like that? Well, cool. So I know, we touched on it a little bit. I wanted to hear a little bit more about your podcast, tell me what you guys are doing and what you guys are talking about. And all the awesome content you guys are putting out?

Joey Braun 3:41

Yeah, Avery go ahead and tell them.

Avery Chatman 3:45

Yeah. So we have you know, each week, there's a different topic. You know, we put out videos that are motivational, and inspirational. We also have, you know, guests on the podcast that, you know, they tell their story. Sometimes we'll have artists, such as singers, writers, promoters, and things like that.

And, you know, and then we'll just have everyday people as well, people who are, you know, just like me and Joey just like me and you people who just have a story to tell. And I think that's what's really unique about our podcast is, you know, we don't have all of the big-name stars on it.

You know, we don't have celebrities, you know, we want people to relate to it on an everyday average type of level, but we want you to be inspired to, you know, do more than just, everyday society things. You know, we want you to pursue your dreams. We want you to go chase whatever you're after. And I'm sure Joey has more to add to this as well.

Joey Braun 4:43

No, yeah. I 100% Avery just described everything I was going to say. And we just want it to be authentic, you know, from the heart. And we don't want it to be totally scripted or anything like that. We just want authentic conversations with people, because that's when you really can be yourself. Sometimes people get caught up in like the interviewer, and they can't be themselves. And we just want people to be themselves be authentic and have that ripple effect on other people.

Gresham Harkless 5:10

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. And that's why, you know, I love this medium as an opportunity to kind of do that because you can, you know, have that mic and get to kind of talk, you know, to yourself. And I don't know, if you guys find the exact same thing, I think especially like, you guys have talked about those stories.

And that piece, I feel like we find when I hear stories, sometimes we're a lot more alike than we sometimes think we are on the surface. When we kind of drill down, you hear somebody's stories, hear the trials and tribulations they might have gone through, it kind of helps to bring us together. I don't know if you guys wanted the exact same thing.

Joey Braun 5:36

Yeah, exactly.

Gresham Harkless 5:38

Nice. And that that makes perfect sense. And I know you touched on this as well. But I want to ask you for what I call your secret sauce. And it can be for both the guys individually or for your podcasts, what do you feel kind of sets you apart and makes you unique?

Joey Braun 5:50

I feel like we just touched upon it a little bit, which is the authentic factor. And I feel like outside of our podcasts, we're also doing other things, making our faces known, giving videos out to the people. So it's not just audio, it's not just someone we actually give our authentic selves out there.

And we don't just like, you know, hide at back. So see some podcasts where they don't really put their face out. And I think that makes us authentic. Because at the end of the day, I mean, we're not going to change the world, but we can change the world of individual people's lives. And that's, that's important. What do you think Avery?

Avery Chatman 6:23

Yeah, and to go along with your saying what you were just saying, Joey. You know, we're interacting with our listeners, you know, we're asking them questions, we're talking to them about topics they may want to, you know, hear about and things like that. And it's not just from a standpoint of, we get a bunch of ideas, and we just go from there. We're, having full long conversations with people about what they're going through, and what they want to hear about, you know, really key on on things that everyday people go through so that it's more relatable.

Gresham Harkless 6:56

Yeah, absolutely. And I definitely feel and I don't know, if you guys find the exact same thing, especially with that video piece, you get the opportunity to really, you know, get a behind-the-scenes look and kind of give you that additional touch point, I guess you can say so you can have that authenticity that relatability that you guys kind of spoke to.

Joey Braun 7:11

Yeah. 100%.

Gresham Harkless 7:14

Nice. And I wanted to switch gears a little bit. And I wanted to ask you guys for what I call a CEO hack. This could be an app, a book, or a habit that you have, what do you guys think makes you more effective and efficient?

Joey Braun 7:25

Avery go ahead and start with this one.

Avery Chatman 7:27

Okay. So, for me, I think it's, you know, having a set schedule. And sticking to that schedule for me, I have to wake up, I've started off by praying, thanking God for another day. I meditate, I go for a run, I work out, I have breakfast, and then I start my day. And it's a way to just clear my mind and just, you know, get into a routine and be able to just jump right at it. I think that is very beneficial. Another thing that most people hate doing, but I do is I make my bed every day. And a long time ago I saw I'm not sure if he was a general.

Joey Braun 8:03

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Yep, I know the video.

Gresham Harkless 8:06

Yes, I do, too.

Avery Chatman 8:08

All right. Perfect. And so I saw that video, but my entire life, I don't know why I've always wanted to make my bed. It was just a weird thing I did, as I've always done it. But after listening and what he said, You know, that's the first thing you accomplish the other day, you got your first accomplishment done.

So I think when you have a set schedule, and you get those things done, you're setting a path to where you're constantly accomplishing things. And I think that's the biggest thing you have to do to be successful as a CEO, you have to set a path where you're constantly accomplishing things throughout the day. And, I mean, once you do that, you're gonna stay on track to become, one of the most successful people in your mind, you know, as long as you're successful in your mind, that's all that matters.

Joey Braun 8:56

No, I really love that whatever you just said is something that I literally do, too. Super important in the morning routine, especially getting you to start off the day with wins. And we always talk about celebrating your little wins, because it's the little things that matter the most.

And that's what helps you build this kind of momentum. People think you have to do this huge thing. But it's not just the little things every day that compound into results. And I've always always chased the big thing but once I started focusing on the little things, the big things seemed to just happen with consistency. So yeah.

Gresham Harkless 9:31

Yeah, absolutely. It kind of seems and I can definitely speak to wanting to make my bed in the morning but I saw that exact same video and it definitely does give you that type of energy just as you guys kind of spoke to because once you start getting those small wins it's like an energy start to you know, make a magnet so to speak, where you start to see those medium things start to happen then those bigger things start to happen and all of a sudden you starting to crusher your dreams and your goals.

Avery Chatman 9:55

Right I mean, I totally agree. I agree with you on that.

Gresham Harkless 9:58

Nice. And so now I wanted to ask you guys what I call a CEO nugget. And this is a word of wisdom or a piece of advice. Or if you could happen to be a time machine, what would you tell your younger business selves?

Joey Braun 10:09

Oh, wow. That's a tough one. I mean, I'm just at the beginning of the journey. But you know, I would say to, don't look at like, their results just follow the process, because the results aren't going to be there at first they're not, but the process and the journey and overcoming fears, overcoming bad habits and building better ones. It's all part of the process. And I think you find personally, that that's what really is so awesome. Is that watching that progression of yourself? What do you think Avery?

Avery Chatman 10:43

I think I'm gonna go just off of what you said. And I think you said overcoming those fears, you know, in those bad habits, I think a lot of us give up at certain times because we are fearful of certain things. And we do have some bad habits that we don't want to get rid of.

And so what I would tell my younger self is, you know, all of the haters, the doubters, the complainers, the people who look down on you, you know, you have to ignore, you know, don't absorb what they're saying, don't let them, you know, project your future, don't let them tell you what you're going to do or what you can't do. Because I think that affects a lot of people.

Till this day, you know, a lot of people don't accomplish certain things, because they're scared of what their peers might say, or people around them might say. So I think the fear and overcoming bad habits is a great point, Joey.

Joey Braun 11:37

Well said.

Gresham Harkless 11:38

Definitely, I would agree with that. And I appreciate you guys even you know, in talking about how you created this podcast, because I think a lot of times, we become a product of our environment. And if a lot of people are your haters, or your naysayers, or they have their own limiting beliefs, and they put that on you, then all of a sudden, you kind of feel like you can't do that.

But you guys, like, you know, like, you kind of touched on it your story, you know, wanted to create this podcast, and then you reach out to others you created that environment that allowed you guys to both propel each other, which I think is something admirable and something we all need to take hold of.

Joey Braun 12:05

Yeah, it was didn't think it would happen. But without that action of me trying, you know, this wouldn't be possible. So always thank Avery for coming and joining me it's been awesome.

Avery Chatman 12:14

Yeah, it's been a great ride. And I mean, we're gonna keep it going. We haven't run out of gas yet.

Joey Braun 12:17

No, definitely not.

Gresham Harkless 12:18

There you go, just getting started. So I definitely appreciate that. So now I wanted to ask you guys my absolute favorite question, which is the definition of what it means to be a CEO. And we're hoping to have different, quote-unquote, CEOs on the show. So Avery, what does being a CEO mean to you?

Avery Chatman 12:33

What does being a CEO mean, to me, I think it's basically everything we talked about, you know, it's setting a path, setting a goal for yourself, and reaching it and accomplishing it. But while you're doing this, you're bringing other people along with you, you're reaching new heights, and you're teaching people who are looking up to you, how you can accomplish your goals.

I think it's, it's more than just, you know, the hype around being the boss, being the lead guy, being the head guy. I think it's bringing other people up teaching the people below you, encouraging them inspiring them to do great things. I think that's what being a CEO means to me.

Joey Braun 13:13

Alright, enjoy. What do you have to say? I was thinking about this question because I saw it when you sent the preset questions. And I think I look at it as for me, being a CEO, I change it to Chief emotional officer. So that's me being in charge of my emotions at all times because I believe that emotion drives energy.

And when you're a CEO, you need to have that energy and the right emotion. So you can lift other people up in your company, and make sure you are coming every day to the best of your ability. So if my emotion isn't there, then my energy isn't there. So that to me is probably the most important thing. When I'm defining a CEO.

Avery Chatman 13:53

Damn, I love that kind of be like you've been I grew up Joey.

Gresham Harkless 13:58

Definitely in my job definition. And I definitely appreciate that. Because a lot of times, you know, when you get emotional, you know, you get so angry or you get so happy, it's hard to control that it's hard to be in control of that. So wherever that goes, that's where you're going to end up.

And a lot of times, you have to be in charge of that you have to be that Chief energy officer, emotional officer so that you can be able to kind of control that to make sure you're going exactly where he wanted to go. And like you said, you know, Avery as well, you have to be able to kind of inspire people and to make sure that you're charting the course that you want to for yourself, but also for many people that are listening, looking and following you.

Joey Braun 14:30

100% Avery's was just on point.

Gresham Harkless 14:33

There you go to my drops. So I appreciate both of you guys, for your time. I appreciate all the awesome things you're doing and all the awesome things you're creating. I wanted to pass you both a mic so to speak, just to see if there's anything additional you can let our readers and listeners know and then of course, how best they can get a hold of you and subscribe to the podcast.

Joey Braun 14:48

Avery.

Avery Chatman 14:50

Well, I think I'll leave you guys with this. Just go chase it, chase your dreams go after it. You can be a CEO you know, you can accomplish whatever you're looking to accomplish. You just have to stay the course.

Joey Braun 15:04

Yeah, go and write off him trust the process. It seems that we're free to take action and just take the first step because through experience we learn the most. And despite what people say, just keep focused, keep going, and do what you want, because you don't want to regret it. Let's be honest. And if we can do what we want to do and live our dreams, or even chase them, we'll end up somewhere great. So that's what I have to say.

Gresham Harkless 15:29

Nice. I definitely appreciate that. Yeah, there's some of the worst things are having regrets. And so one of the ways you can kind of deflect that is just by trying even if it doesn't go as you wanted to go at least you tried and you guys have that. So thank you great words of wisdom and people who want to subscribe to your podcast to find out about what you guys are doing. What's the best way?

Joey Braun 15:46

Yeah, go to our Instagram. It's @mindshapepodcast and we have a link there that takes you to Apple Music Spotify, SoundCloud, or anything you want to use, listen to it, or, or just go on Apple Music or Spotify and type in Mind Shape on your podcast, and that will come up. So go ahead, and leave a review. Give it a listen. We look forward to your feedback.

Gresham Harkless 16:10

Awesome, thank you so much, guys. And we will make sure to have that link in the show notes so that you can follow up. And just like they said, you know, make sure to leave a review. Those are always great for us as podcasters so I appreciate you guys again and I hope you have a great rest of the day.

Outro 16:22

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Intro 0:02

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Do you want to learn effective ways to build relationships, generate sales and grow your business from successful entrepreneurs, startups, and CEOs without listening to a long, long, long interview? If so, you've come to the right place. Gresham Harkless values your time and is ready to share with you precisely the information you're in search of. This is the I AM CEO Podcast.

Gresham Harkless 0:29

Hello, this is Gresh from the I am CEO podcast and I have two very special guests on the show today. I have Joey Braun & Avery Chatman of the Mind Shape podcast. Gentlemen, it's awesome to have you on the show.

Joey Braun 0:40

Thank you for having us.

Gresham Harkless 0:41

No problem. Super excited to have you on. And what I wanted to do was just read a little bit more about Joey and Avery. And Joey and Avery are two men who had never met before. But both share the passion of helping people change their lives. So decided to create a podcast Joey and Avery, are you ready to be to the I AM CEO community?

Avery Chatman 0:55

Yeah, let's do it.

Gresham Harkless 0:56

Let's make it happen. So they kick everything off. I wanted to hear a little bit more about what I call your CEO story. What led you guys to get started in the podcast?

Joey Braun 1:05

All kind of started off in a row, you can kind of give his take as well. But I started a podcast a while back, I just wanted to start something to help people. And you know, I had no listeners, no one was really kind of really looked at our stuff or listened to it. So I decided to bring it back after I gave up for a couple months. And actually I DM'ed Avery on Twitter, and I asked him, you know, if you wanted to be on the podcast, because I saw the motivational videos he made, and they hit me hard. And they inspired me. So I was like, Dang, this is someone that I want to do a podcast with this guy is inspirational is motivational, and he'd be a great co host. So that was like, how I initiated that with him. And he can kind of tell his side real quick.

Avery Chatman 1:46

Yeah, so. So one day, I'm looking on Twitter, and I get a DM from this random guy. And he says, hey man, I love your content. And I've been thinking about starting something, I don't know if you'd be interested, but I kind of want to just run it by you if you see my message. And of course, I saw his message. And I responded right away. And he started diving in saying he had a podcast, I guess a few months prior and things like that, and that I would be a perfect fit to, you know, help him and help him out with the podcasts he had started. And from there, you know, we brainstormed a lot of ideas. And you know, we got to know each other a little bit more. And then we just started recording just like no script, no anything just off the top of the head, just whatever we wanted to talk about. We thought of a topic and we just started talking. And from there, it's been growing, it's been building and I'm really excited to see where it ends up. But that's basically the start of our story. I would say.

Joey Braun 2:47

Yeah, man.

Gresham Harkless 2:48

Nice, I appreciate that. And then the power of DMing. And, you know, we never think that, you know, we can have a potential partner for a podcast or whatever. But you have to, you know, go through the DM shoot that shoot that shot, so to speak, to kind of make that happen. And, and I love the fact too, because I think a lot of times and one of the big benefits I've gotten you know from from podcasting is that you get an opportunity to connect with people in the network. But I think you know, even on a deeper level, it sounds like you guys, you've been able to co host a podcast and develop relationships with each other, you know, as a result of doing this podcast together?

Joey Braun 2:54

No. 100% Yeah, we're definitely looking. I'm definitely looking to meet Avery in the future. here shortly, I definitely want to actually meet him and get to know him a little bit more.

Gresham Harkless 3:28

You guys are gonna have to go Facebook Live or something like that? Well, cool. So I know, we touched on it a little bit. I wanted to hear a little bit more about your podcast, tell me what you guys are doing what you guys are talking about. And all the awesome content you guys are putting out?

Joey Braun 3:41

Yeah, Avery go ahead and tell them.

Avery Chatman 3:45

Yeah. So we have you know, each week, there's a different topic. You know, we put out videos that are motivational, inspirational. We also have, you know, guests on the podcast that, you know, they tell their story. Sometimes we'll have artists, such as singers, writers, promoters, and things like that. And, you know, and then we'll just have everyday people as well, people who are, you know, just like me and Joey just like me and you people who just have a story to tell. And I think that's what's really unique about our podcast is, you know, we don't have all of the big name stars on it. You know, we don't have celebrities, you know, we want people to relate to it on an everyday average type of level, but we want you to be inspired to, you know, do more than just, everyday society things. You know, we want you to pursue your dreams. We want you to go chase whatever you're after. And I'm sure Joey has more to add to this as well.

Joey Braun 4:43

No, yeah. 100% Avery just like described everything I was going to say. And we just want it to be authentic, you know, from the heart. And we don't want it to be totally scripted or anything like that. We just want authentic conversations with people, because that's when you really can be yourself. Sometimes people get caught up in like the interviewer, and they can't be themselves. And we just want people to be themselves be authentic and have that ripple effect on to other people.

Gresham Harkless 5:10

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. And that's why, you know, I love this medium as an opportunity to kind of do that because you can, you know, have that mic and get to kind of talk, you know, to yourself. And and I don't know, if you guys find the exact same thing, I think especially like, you guys have talked about those stories. And that piece, I feel like we find when I hear stories, sometimes we're a lot more alike than we sometimes think we are on the surface. When we kind of drill down, you hear somebody stories, hear the trials and tribulations they might have gone through, it kind of helps to bring us together. I don't know if you guys wanted the exact same thing.

Joey Braun 5:36

Yeah, exactly.

Gresham Harkless 5:38

Nice. And that that makes perfect sense. And I know you touched on this as well. But I want to ask you for what I call your secret sauce. And it can be for both the guys individually or for your podcasts, what do you feel kind of sets you apart and makes you unique?

Joey Braun 5:50

I feel like we just touched upon it a little bit, which is the authentic factor. And I feel like outside of our podcasts, we're also doing other things, making our faces known, giving videos out to the people. So it's not just audio, it's not just someone we actually give our authentic selves out there. And we don't just like, you know, hide at back. So see, some podcasts where they don't really put their face out. And I think that makes us authentic. Because the end of the day, I mean, we're not going to change the world, but we can change the world of individual people's lives. And that's, that's important. What do you think Avery?

Avery Chatman 6:23

Yeah, and to go along with your saying what you were just saying, Joey. You know, we're interacting with our listeners, you know, we're asking them questions, we're talking to them about topics they may want to, you know, hear about and things like that. And it's not just from a standpoint of, we get a bunch of ideas, and we just go from there. We're, having full long conversations with people about what they're going through, and what they want to hear about, you know, really key on on things that everyday people go through so that it's more relatable.

Gresham Harkless 6:56

Yeah, absolutely. And I definitely feel and I don't know, if you guys find the exact same thing, especially with that video piece, you get the opportunity to really, you know, get a behind the scenes look and kind of give you that additional touch point, I guess you can say so you can have that authenticity that relatability that you guys kind of spoke to.

Joey Braun 7:11

Yeah. 100%.

Gresham Harkless 7:14

Nice. And I wanted to switch gears a little bit. And I wanted to ask you guys for what I call a SEO hack. And this could be an app, a book or a habit that you have, what do you guys think makes you more effective and efficient?

Joey Braun 7:25

Avery go ahead and start with this one?

Avery Chatman 7:27

Okay. So, for me, I think it's, you know, having a set schedule. And sticking to that schedule for me, I have to I wake up, I've started off by praying, thanking God for another day. I meditate, I go for a run, I work out, I have breakfast, and then I start my day. And it's a way to just clear my mind and just, you know, get into a routine and be able to just jump right at it. I think that is very beneficial. Another thing that most people hate doing, but I do is I make my bed every day. And a long time ago I saw I'm not sure if he was a general.

Joey Braun 8:03

Yep, I know the video.

Gresham Harkless 8:06

Yes, I do, too.

Avery Chatman 8:08

All right. Perfect. And so I saw that video, but my entire life, I don't know why I've always wanted to make my bed. It was just a weird thing I did, as I've always done it. But after listening and what he said, You know, that's the first thing you accomplish the other day, you got your first accomplishment done. So I think when you have a set schedule, and you get those things done, you're setting a path to where you're constantly accomplishing things. And I think that's the biggest thing you have to do to be successful as a CEO, you have to set a path where you're constantly accomplishing things throughout the day. And, I mean, once you do that, you're gonna stay on track to be come, one of the most successful people in your mind, you know, as long as you're successful in your mind, that's all that matters.

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Joey Braun 8:56

No, I really love that whatever you just said is like something that I literally do, too. Super important in the morning routine, especially gets you starting off the day with wins. And we always talk about celebrating your little wins, because it's the little things that matter the most. And that's what helps you build this kind of momentum. People think you have to do this huge thing. But it's no just the little things every day that compound into results. And I've always always chased the big thing but once I started focusing on the little things, the big things seem to just happen with consistency. So yeah.

Gresham Harkless 9:31

Yeah, absolutely. It kind of seems and I can definitely speak to wanting to make my bed in the morning but I saw that exact same video and it definitely does give you that type of energy just as you guys kind of spoke to because once you start getting those small wins it's like an energy start to you know, make a magnet so to speak, where you start to see those medium things start to happen then those bigger things start to happen and all of a sudden you starting to crusher your dreams and your goals.

Avery Chatman 9:55

Right I mean, I totally agree. I agree with you on that.

Gresham Harkless 9:58

Nice. And so now I wanted to ask you guys were what I call a CEO nugget. And this is a word of wisdom or a piece of advice. Or if you can happen to a time machine, what would you tell your younger business selves?

Joey Braun 10:09

Oh, wow. That's a tough one. I mean, I'm just in the beginning of the journey. But you know, I would say to, don't look at like, there results just follow the process, because the results aren't going to be there at first they're not, but the process and the journey and overcoming fears, overcoming bad habits and building better ones. It's all part of the process. And I think you find personally, that that's what really is so awesome. Is that watching that progression of yourself? What do you think Avery?

Avery Chatman 10:43

I think I'm gonna go just off of what you said. And I think you said overcoming those fears, you know, in those bad habits, I think a lot of us give up at certain times, because we are fearful of certain things. And we do have some bad habits that we don't want to get rid of. And so what I would tell my younger self is, you know, all of the haters, the doubters, the complainers, the people who look down on you, you know, you have to ignore, you know, don't absorb what they're saying, don't let them, you know, project your future, don't let them tell you what you're going to do or what you can't do. Because I think that affects a lot of people. Till this day, you know, a lot of people don't accomplish certain things, because they're scared of what their peers might say, or people around them might say. So I think the fear and overcoming bad habits is a great point, Joey.

Joey Braun 11:37

Well said.

Gresham Harkless 11:38

Definitely, I would agree with that. And I appreciate you guys even you know, in talking about how you created this podcast, because I think a lot of times, we become a product of our environment. And if a lot of people are your haters, or your naysayers, or they have their own limiting beliefs, and they put that on you, then all of a sudden, you kind of feel like you can't do that. But you guys, like, you know, like, you kind of touched on it your story, you know, wanted to create this podcast, and then you reach out to other you created that environment that allowed you guys to both propel each other, which I think is something admirable, and something we all need to take hold of.

Joey Braun 12:05

Yeah, it was didn't think it would happen. But without that action of me trying, you know, this wouldn't be possible. So always thank Avery for coming and joining me this it's been awesome.

Avery Chatman 12:14

Yeah, it's been a great ride. And I mean, we're gonna keep it going. We haven't run out of gas yet.

Joey Braun 12:17

No, definitely not.

Gresham Harkless 12:18

There you go, just getting started. So I definitely appreciate that. So now I wanted to ask you guys my absolute favorite question, which is the definition of what it means to be a CEO. And we're hoping to have different, quote unquote, CEOs on the show. So Avery, what is that being a CEO mean to you?

Avery Chatman 12:33

What is being a CEO mean, to me, I think it's basically everything we talked on, you know, it's setting a path, setting a goal for yourself, and reaching it and accomplishing it. But while you're doing this, you're bringing other people along with you, you're reaching new heights, and you're teaching people that are looking up to you, how you can accomplish your goals. I think it's, it's more than just, you know, the hype around being the boss, being the lead guy, being the head guy. I think it's bringing other people up teaching the people below you, encouraging them inspiring them to do great things. I think that's what being a CEO means to me.

Joey Braun 13:13

Alright, enjoy. What do you have to say? I was thinking about this question, because I saw them when you sent the preset questions. And I think I look at it as for me, being a CEO, I change it to Chief emotional officer. So that's me being in charge of my emotions at all times, because I believe that emotion drives energy. And when you're a CEO, you need to have that energy and the right emotion. So you can lift other people up in your company, and make sure you are coming every day to the best of your ability. So if my emotion isn't there, then my energy isn't there. So that to me is probably the most important thing. When I'm defining a CEO.

Avery Chatman 13:53

Damn, I love that kind of be like you've been I grew up Joey.

Gresham Harkless 13:58

Definitely in my job definition. And I definitely appreciate that. Because a lot of times, you know, when you get emotional, you know, you get so angry or you get so happy, it's hard to control that it's hard to be in control of that. So wherever that goes, that's where you're going to end up. And a lot of times, you have to be in charge of that you have to be that Chief energy officer, emotional officer so that you can be able to kind of control that to make sure you're going exactly where he wanted to go. And like you said, you know, Avery as well, you have to be able to kind of inspire people and to make sure that you're charting the course that you want to for yourself, but also for many people that are listening, looking and following you.

Joey Braun 14:30

100% Avery's was just on point.

Gresham Harkless 14:33

There you go to my drops. So I appreciate both of you guys, for your time. I appreciate all the awesome things you're doing and all the awesome things you're creating. I wanted to pass you both a mic so to speak, just to see if there's anything additional you can let our readers and listeners know and then of course, how best they can get a hold of you and subscribe to the podcast.

Joey Braun 14:48

Avery.

Avery Chatman 14:50

Well I think I'll leave you guys with this. Just go chase it, chase your dreams go after it. You can be a CEO you know, you can accomplish whatever you're looking to accomplish. You just have to stay the course.

Joey Braun 15:04

Yeah, go and write off him trust the process. It seems that we're free to take action and just take the first step because through experience we learn the most. And despite what people say, just keep focus, keep going, do what you want, because you don't want to regret it. Let's be honest. And if we can do what we want to do and live our dreams, or even chase them, we'll end up somewhere great. So that's what I have to say.

Gresham Harkless 15:29

Nice. I definitely appreciate that. Yeah, there's some some of the worst things are having regrets. And so one of the ways you can kind of deflect that is just by trying even if it doesn't go as you wanted to go at least you tried and you guys have that. So thank you great words of wisdom and people that want to subscribe to your podcast find out about what you guys are doing. What's the best way?

Joey Braun 15:46

Yeah, go to our Instagram. It's @mindshapepodcast and we have a link there that takes you to Apple Music Spotify, SoundCloud, anything you want to use, listen to it on, or, or just go on Apple Music or Spotify and type in Mind Shape on your podcast, and that will come up. So go ahead, leave a review. Give it a listen. We look forward to your feedback.

Gresham Harkless 16:10

Awesome, thank you so much guys. And we will make sure to have that link in the show notes so that you can follow up. And just like they said, you know, make sure to leave a review. Those are always great for us as podcasters so I appreciate you guys again and I hope you have a great rest of the day.

Outro 16:22

Thank you for listening to the I AM CEO Podcast powered by Blue 16 Media. Tune in next time and visit us at iamceo.co I AM CEO is not just a phrase, it's a community. Be sure to follow us on social media and subscribe to our podcast on iTunes Google Play and everywhere you listen to podcasts, SUBSCRIBE, and leave us a five-star rating grab CEO gear at www.ceogear.co. This has been the I AM CEO Podcast with Gresham Harkless. Thank you for listening.

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